...and flames for narcissistic assholes trying to get on TV!!!

Exactly.

You guys and gals at C40 are the real Clinton supporters, and kudos for being so.  The PUMAs do nothing but oppose everything she stands for.

Rec'd.

Did you see when David Shuster nailed him on it, it was grand.

talking out of your ass it would appear, is not a lost art.

You know, the claims never really made sense anyway.  If the PUMA members had that much spare change laying around ... why didn't they pump it into the Clinton campaign during the primaries?

makes me think of Lieberman.

These folks are not real democrats. They are mere posers looking to create a rift that will benefit John McCain.

Lieberman and PUMA's get up on the same side of the bed in the morning.

I personally raised $4 billion for Obama so people lying about raising money really pisses me off!

PUMA!

What a joke.

ClintonistasforObama in the hizz house!

Outstanding, Drew.  Your aim is perfect with this one.

These are the same people who assure women McCain will be better on women's rights then Obama???

Just curious.  Have your Puma friends shown any movement toward coming back to us or are positions hardening?  I am worried that they may feel backed into a corner and will not come back for fear of losing face.  Do you see any of this?

I, and I hope many others, are here with open arms to welcome them back.  No hard feelings, promise.

OK he's an ass, and probably a crook.

But I  empathize with the many, many non-insane Hillary supporters who must be cringing watching the image of Hillary supporters being hijacked by these mouthy, nasty slimy individuals giving both their candidate and battering  the wishes and dreams of women who wouldn't dream of saying a fraction of the stuff posted on talkleft and similar sites, but who had wistful or practical hopes of something better out of this.

This kind of crap also obscures those things that could be done which would in fact soothe the hurt and help them go forward with us in November in an alternative way of getting what they had hoped it would be Hillary doing for them.

And will make it harder for No. 2 to come forward without having to bend over backward ala Wright to demonstrate she is not a party-trashing kook. It even soils the decent name of those who worked for the interests of women by flaunting the stereotype of the whiny, bitchy complainer who does that and neither raises the money nor marches the troops necessary to support a modern campaign, preferring to wail about Hussein, how immature and inexperienced he is, etc etc. Angry Mouse and all the other sensible, decent, wounded Hillary supporters deserved better than this.

And it's (excuse me) a guy who's fronting all this. geez.

Oh, and over at Alegre's place, they're studiously ignoring the fact that Clinton is organizing a whip operation to prevent die-hards from causing havoc at the convention (thank you, Hillary!), repeating right wing talking points about the 7 houses, and suggesting that having Teddy Kennedy die might end up helping Obama (with anna shane helpfully chiming in that lots of Obama supporters don't even know who Kennedy is).

These are Republican spies, nothing more nothing less.

I've been an Obama supporter for a long time. I love Hillary and hope she gets the Veep spot.

That said, some of her "supporters" need to take a long look at who they really are, because a lot of them sure ain't Democrats.

Time to repost this...

http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/ hundreds-show-up-2-the-puma-conference-p ictures/

He's just a toad, but Darragh, what a piece of work she is.....

Someone called her "an activist."

Publicity hound is more like it.

I can recogonize people that are real activists, how they speak, how they look.

She is total grease spot, she doesn't deserve to say the name Hillary Clinton, let alone claim she is doing some kind of work in her behalf...

I laughed my ass off reading the infighting link.  What idiots.  I'd feel bad for them but to they are such obviously nasty people that i just cant.

Kudos to shuster.

They've been too busy trying to trash Obama and forgot to actually, you know, support their candidate.

watch Murphy lie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgcSvUWrU pQ

with that freakshow finally.

Why the need to attack Will Bower and PUMAS?  I just don't get it.  If you're so confident that they are irrelevant- then stop posting about them- and just move on.  I've said this before- NO ONE owes any "loyalty" to any party- no matter what.  This is America- if you want someone's vote- you earn it.  I have to admit, the DNC was extraordinarily shady- and I completely agree with many of the PUMAS complaints.  Will I vote for McCain?  No way.  I just won't.  I do, however, completely respect PUMAS right to exist and their courage in standing up for what they believe in.  It is Mr. Obama's responsibility to win them over- no one else can do that.  

Me thinks thou doth protest too much........

The PUMAs have raised a lot of very legitimate concerns about the nominating process and the need to reform the party.  But when their megalomaniac leaders go around making ridiculous claims like $6 million and a "whitey" tape and 500 buses to Denver, it casts a shadow over the movement and lessens our chances of getting the reform we need.

Major Mojo, psychodrew! The terrible shame is that if things do get ugly in Denver, it will only serve to tarnish all of us - Clinton, Obama, their supporters, and the party as a whole. We only get ahead by working together and changing hearts and minds. I hope that we get nomination reform, a rejection of media sexism (and racism), AND elect Barack Obama president of the USA!

According to a Clinton spokesman who checked into the specific allegations that PUMA or Just Say No Deal raised 6 million for Hillary Clinton--It never happened.  And by all accounts they technically didn't raise any of the 2.5 million either.

No contributions were ever received from PUMAPAC or Just say no deal.  If folks clicked on a link to Hillary Clinton's website (through the puma site) and then donated it wouldn't show up as a PUMA contribution.  But the people who donated directly to PUMA to help Hillary's debt--none of that money made it to her.  Unbelievable.

Check out the article:
http://news.aol.com/politicalmachine/200 8/07/21/hillary-tells-puma-no-deal/

I obviously don't trust him, but when he went around clucking about how he had paid down Hillary Clinton's debt, I believed him.  Why would you lie about something that's so easily verifiable?

And yet, there it is.  I'm sure it did real damage: I donated all I felt I could spare (and still help towards the presidency, down ticket races, etc.) early on, so it made no difference to me, but I'm sure there are people who sat on their hands thinking that the problem was solved.

What a slimy character.

And this afternoon Alegre is speculating about who Clinton would pick if she gets the nomination. She thinks she'd offer it to Obama.

I don't think Will Bower was purposely distorting anything.  Why would he, knowing full well that numbers would come out at the end that would show how much was raised?  Maybe someone was lying to him, and maybe not.  Maybe it was difficult to track how much money was coming in from all different groups and doners.  Obama wasn't going to help her pay down her debt to any extent.  When he asked his supporters to help her, they handed over a paltry amount of money anyway.  

Will is a personal friend of mine from real life, not the internet or this silly blog.  He's a good man and has spent many years contributing to Democratic causes.  

If you take issue with his stance, fine.  But stop making him out to be Satan, especially when you do not know him personally.